WHOSE CHURCH IS IT ANYWAY?

THE POST APOSTOLIC CHURCH
Again I acknowledge that much of the material that follows is drawn from the excellent publication by Eddie L. Hyatt, 2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity. For specific references to the writings quoted, please refer to that publication.

We continue looking at prominent spirit filled men who lived during the 7th to 15th centuries AD.

600AD-1517

We will discover over coming weeks that there was ongoing Holy Spirit activity in the midst of the Dark Ages, both within and outside the dominant Roman Catholic Church of the time.

A MONASTIC REVIVAL

After a period of spiritual inactivity in the Roman Catholic Church, the 11th century saw genuine spiritual renewal, particularly within the monastic movement. New orders emerged including the Cistercians, the Franciscans and the Dominicans who, particularly the latter two, left their monasteries and went out into the world. Know as the 'preaching friars', they preached in the common languages and helped the people in many ways.

Characteristically they.....

1. Literally obeyed the commands of Jesus.
2. Took vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.
3. Went on preaching missions without money or clothing, depending on God and people for their sustenance.
4. Saw miracles in their own, and the people's lives.
5. Recovered the purity of faith of an earlier day.

We continue.....

DOMINIC (1170-1221) A contemporary of Francis of Assisi, Dominic set up the preaching order known as the Dominicans, particularly known for their efforts in missionary work and education. Primarily they were seeking to win back to the Roman Catholic Church those such as the Cathari and Waldensians by outstripping them in piety and zeal.

Dominic was well known for visions and miracles, Napoleon, the son of Lord Cardinal Stephen, who fell from his horse and instantly died. Dominic arrived on the scene, lifted his hands to the heavens and cried out, "Young man, Napoleon, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, I say to thee arise." Before the eyes of all those present, the young man arose and said, "Give me something to eat."

Joining with a group of Germans travelling through Europe Dominic enjoyed their hospitality but could not talk to them. Dominic told his companion to join him and "kneel down and pray God that He teach us their language for we are not able to announce to them the Lord Jesus." Astonished at Dominic's sudden ability to speak their language, the Germans listened intently over a four-day period as Dominic shared the gospel.

FRANCIS OF ASSISI (1181-1226) (pictured) The son of a prosperous merchant, as a young man, while praying in a church outside Assisi, he heard a voice say to him, "Go and repair My house, which is fallen down." Interpreting "house" to mean the building in which he was praying, he immediately went to his father's warehouse, took a horse and a load of cloth, sold both and gave the money to the church for repairs.

Later, he realized that 'house' meant the church generally.

Quoting Hyatt - "Francis established the Franciscan order, a monastic order dedicated to studying the Scriptures, preaching the gospel, praying and helping the poor. Interpreting Matthew 10:7-19 literally, they elected to renounce all earthly possessions and to live in poverty. The order was endowed with great spiritual power, and it has been called "perhaps the most thoroughly charismatic [order], in its primitive period, that the church has ever known. Indeed, Francis's preaching was accompanied by great power. Specifically, reports Butler, God gave Francis the gifts of prophecy and miracles. Also, many healings occurred as a result of Francis's prayers. On one occasion, for example, while preaching in the city of Narni, Francis was taken to a man who was completely paralyzed. The man had expressed assurance that if Francis would come to him, he would be completely healed. When Francis entered the man's room, he made the sign of the cross over the man from his head to his feet. Immediately, the man arose fully recovered."

According to Jacob de Voragine, a thirteenth-century writer, Francis had originally been named Giovanni (i.e. John), but adopted the name Francis as the result of a miracle from God that had empowered him to speak French. De Voragine says, "Whenever he was filled with the fervour of the Holy Spirit, he burst forth ardently in the French tongue."

VINCENT OF FERRIER (1350-1419) When ill, Vincent, a Dominican preacher, had a vision of Christ instructing hiim to "go through the world preaching Christ." And he was healed! Immediately, he set out preaching and teaching throughout Europe with amazing results. He was described as one whose words "struck terror in the hearts of sinners." Such conviction accompanied his preaching that, sometimes, he had to curtail his sermons because of overpowering sobs from the congregation. Everywhere he preached, numerous conversions and amazing miracles were reported. Some 'fainted' under the Holy Spirit's power. During ministry in the Netherlands, so many miracles happened, that an hour was set aside daily for the healing of the sick. Vincent is also reported to have spoken in tongues.

OTHER EXAMPLES Many other examples include.....

Jean of the Cross spoke in tongues often, once convincing two Muslims to believe on Christ by speaking in their native Arabic.

St. Stephen (d. 1396) on missions to Georgia, preached to the native peoples in their own language, a tongue he had never learned.

St. Colette (1380-1447) spoke in both Latin and German neither of which she knew.

Francis Xavier (1506-1552) In his missions to the Far East, he is said to have spoken Japanese "as if he had lived in Japan all his life." At his canonization by Urban VIII, it was emphasized that Xavier possessed the gift of tongues and "spoke to the various tribes with ease in their languages."

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THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ARE ONES WHO ARE OBEDIENT TO THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR LIVES.

(Continued next week)

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THE WORDS OF JESUS continued

The Lord has asked me to compile a publication of the words Jesus spoke, as recorded in the New Testament in chronological order. I have got about halfway, and have found it very enlightening and encouraging in my relationship with Him. The final version will have changes of layout and version used, but this is a foretaste of things to come. Of course, it is not a Bible substitute! I Hope you find it helpful too, in your walk with Jesus.

Jesus Feeds the 5000 (Matthew 14:15-21, Mark 6:35-44, Luke 9:12-17, John 6:3-14)
Near Bethsaida, where a crowd had gathered.

“Where shall we buy bread for these people to eat?”
“Have them sit down in groups of about fifty each.”
“Gather the pieces that are left over. Let nothing be wasted.”

Jesus (and Peter) Walking on Water (Matthew 14:24-33, Mark 6:48-52, John 6:16-21)
In the storm. The disciples see Jesus.

“Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”

Peter walks - then sinks.

“Come,”
You of little faith,” “why did you doubt?”

Jesus - The Bread of Life (John 6:22-59)
When the boat reached the other side the crowd asked how He got there. Jesus replied.

“I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
“I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
“Sir,” they said, “from now on give us this bread.”
Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
“I am the bread that came down from heaven ‘I came down from heaven’?”
“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”

Many Desert Jesus (John 6:60-71)
Deciding the teaching was too difficult to accept.

“Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe
“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him.”
“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
“Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”

(Continued next week)

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FAITH

255. Our faith is like the air we breath. It is only the current breath that gives life.

256. As we build our faith, so faith builds in us.

257. Past faith is but a memory, future faith but a dream, but today's faith defines our relationship with God.

258. Our faith ebbs and flows as the tide, but God's faithfulness never wavers.

259. While yesterday's faith is but a memory, it provides the inspiration to reach higher today.

260. Funnily enough, faith to move mountains, is generally given to those first prepared to remove the mountain of rubbish from their own lives.

261. The journey of faith starts with a single step.

262. Faith is a current stock item, available to all. Some however leave it on the shelf for fear the price may be too high.

263. Faith is one of the few things in life where the more you take, the more you get given.

264. If faith was easy, it would be of little value.

265. Faith to God is like breathing to life. Without it we are spiritually dead.

266. To believe in the essential goodness of man is perfectly normal. But to believe in God takes too much faith. Something is basically wrong here!

267. We all hope for a better future. But few are prepared to exercise the faith required to guarantee it!

268. Hope gives you but a shovel to dig, while faith removes the mountain itself.

269. Faith is the means God uses to move the mountain. Beats a bulldozer every time!

270. The one who continues to build their faith will be blessed beyond measure.

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THIS WEEK: A REVELATION OF....... 3 KINGDOM AGES continues

THE 'OTHER' SIDE

For us to have freewill there must be alternatives to choose between. For there is no choice without choice!

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*** Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. ***

821. THE MARRIAGE VOW
As a sound technician at Friendship Church in Prior Lake, MN, we used a variet of wireless microphones to help make our worship services more meaningful. We were also called on to do weddings and other special events.

During one wedding the pastor, the bride, and the groom each had one of the small microphones with a wire leading down to a transmitter concealed beneath their clothing. Due to the number of mics required for the grand event, we had put some of our older mics in our collection to use. The older mics were sometimes succeptible to interference and would occasionally pick up transmissions from nearby police cars and the CB radios used by truckers.

At a critical point in the wedding vows, the pastor asked the groom that all important question, "Do you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife?" As if on cue a passing truck driver could be heared loud enough for everyone in the sanctuary to hear, "10-4 Good buddy."

Everyone had a good laugh, and the wedding continued without any additional help from CB radio traffic.

From Don Chase, Shakopee, MN

820. THE LORD'S PRAYER
And one particular four-year-old prayed, "And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets."

819. IT'S TIME
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FACTS FOR FUN

LAST WEEKS QUESTION: Where are all the baby pigeons?

ANSWER: You see pigeons on every sidewalk in the city. But where are their babies? The answer lies in the way pigeons hide their nests. They may be city-dwellers now, but way back, were cliff-dwellers. They still like to build their nests up high on modern cliffs - atop tall buildings or high window ledges or even stuck inside a bridge somewhere. Pigeons are dedicated parents. They tend to lay only two eggs at a time, then spoil the baby pigeons so much that the babies are nearly adult-sized and plump by the time they leave the nest. (Does plumpness make them ‘pigeon toed?)

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: What's the difference between a turtle and a tortoise?

Answer Next Week.

SOME FUN FACTS

779. A JAPANESE HAMBURGER?
Okonomiyaki consists of a potpourri of grilled vegetables, noodles, and meat or seafood, between two pancake-like layers of fried batter. (Healthy as well as delicious.)

780. SMOKIN' DOLLAR
The Cree Indians used smoking pipes as their currency. (Our dollars go up in a puff of smoke also!)

781. NOT QUITE RIGHT
Mae West never actually said, "Come up and see me some time" in a movie. What she did say was "Why don't you come up some time and see me." (Did she really mean it?)

A WORD PUZZLE FOR YOU

Make another word from this word using all the letters.

MINGLED

Answer at the end of A David Musing

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SERMON ON THE MOUNT

15. What should you not throw before swine?

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!!!! If the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, you can bet the water bill is higher.

!!! God gave the angels Wings, and He gave humans CHOCOLATE.

!! The optimist says the glass is half full. The pessimist says the glass is half empty. The pragmatist, being thirsty, drinks the water.

! What's the greatest worldwide use of cowhide? To hold cows together.

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LIFE'S A LAUGH!

38. NO WAY!
A friend of mine is a deputy with the sheriff's department canine division. One evening, the deputy was dispatched to the scene of a possible burglary, where he discovered the back door of a building ajar. He let the dog out of his patrol car and commanded it to enter and seek.

Jumping from the back seat, the dog headed for the building. After lunging through the doorway, the dog froze and backed out.

My friend was puzzled until he investigated further. Then he noticed a sign on the building: "Veterinarian's Office."

39. TIMELESS ENTERTAINMENT!
The 12-year-old boy stood patiently beside the clock counter while the store clerk waited on all of the adult customers. Finally he got around to the youngster, who made his purchase and hurried out to the curb, where his father was impatiently waiting in his car.

"What took you so long, son?" he asked.

"The man waited on everybody in the store before me," the boy replied. "But I got even."

"How?"

"I wound and set all the alarm clocks while I was waiting," the youngster explained happily. "It's going to be a mighty noisy place at eight o'clock."

40. CONSIDERATION?
When workmen came to demolish our old porch and build a new one, they had a number of power tools that needed to be plugged into the outlet in our house. Each morning we'd open the door for them to slip an extension cord through the mail slot, and later in the day they would unplug it. Early one afternoon they knocked on the door to say they had to rent a piece of equipment that was available only at 7 a.m. the next morning.

"Ma'am, if you don't mind," said one of the men, "we'd like to leave this cord through the mail slot tonight so we won't have to wake you up when we plug in the jackhammer in the morning."

41. IN THE ROUTINE
It was a stifling hot day and a man fainted in the middle of a busy intersection. Traffic quickly piled up in all directions, and a woman rushed to help him. When she knelt down to loosen his collar, a man emerged from the crowd, pushed her aside, and said, "It's all right honey, I've had a course in first aid."

The woman stood up and watched as he took the ill man's pulse and prepared to administer artificial respiration. At this point she tapped him on the shoulder and said, "When you get to the part about calling a doctor, I'm already here."

42. BROTHERS, MAY I
A man from the big city was driving out to Vermont to visit an old friend. Hopelessly lost, he pulled his sports coupe up to a group of men sitting out in front of a small country store to get directions.

Leaning out the car's window, he said, "I want to go to Bennington."

There was silence. Then one of the men slowly took his pipe out of his mouth and replied, "We have no objections."

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'Shocking' levels of corruption worldwide

Christianity Today
06 December 2013
Carey Lodge

A huge Trillion dollar note - representing the amount that is lost every year due to bribery and corruption across the globe - displayed outside the West Door of St Paul's Cathedral during the end of the EXPOSED Vigil to 'Shine a Light on Corruption'

An international coalition of Christian organisations working to tackle corruption has said world leaders need to act swiftly to end the shocking levels of corrupt practices across the globe.

The message from the Exposed campaign group comes in the lead up to International Anti-Corruption Day on 9 December.

Exposed says that corruption not only blights global and national economies, but has far reaching effects, and it is often local communities and the lives of the poorest individuals that suffer the worst consequences.

Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index 2013 indicates that the abuse of power and bribery is rife, and continues to "ravage societies around the world".

According to figures, on a scale from 0 (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean), more than two-thirds of 177 countries in the 2013 index score below 50.

International Co-ordinator of Exposed, Joel Edwards, said: "It is shocking that the world still tolerates corruption when we know the devastation that it causes – to economics, communities and to individuals."

The Exposed campaign encourages people around the world to consider practical and positive ways to resist corruption in their communities, including their churches, and to promote increased integrity and ethics in business.

Mr Edwards has called on world leaders to be "more proactive and strident" in the development of political and business systems designed to put an end to corruptive practices.

"This is not just to ensure the health of the global economy, but more importantly for the sake of the world's poorest people who are the most affected by corruption," he asserts.

Exposed held a Week of Action in October of this year, during which individuals in over 150 nations participated in events and social media campaigns to highlight the growing problem of corruption in the world.

A thousand vigils were held to "shine a light on corruption", while more than three million people heard the message through various media channels and got involved on social media.

Almost 40,000 have already signed the group's 'Global Call to End Corruption' petition, which demands more open tax regimes and greater transparency in payments to work against bribery and tax avoidance.

This petition will be presented to the meeting of the G20, the world's leading economies, in November 2014, with the hope that it will encourage leaders to combat corruption.

The recent campaign revealed the passion that many have for seeing an end to corruptive practices, and Exposed believes that this is evolving into a real demand for change.

"In particular, people are beginning to wake up to the destructive effects of tax evasion and the links with corruption and poverty," Edwards said.

"If tax evasion was stopped, the lives of 230 under 5-year olds a day in the developing world could be saved."

Mr Edwards concluded his message with a reminder that in many nations such as Nepal, Malaysia and Uganda, positive changes are already taking effect, "but if we are to see the end of corruption and the end of poverty, we need world leaders to act decisively".

PS:I am blessed to live in the least corrupt country of New Zealand (along with Denmark). We still need to remain vigilant however. David.

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A REVELATION OF……. GIVING TO GOD

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WAXING LYRICAL

All too often we don't consider the long term consequences of our choices in life. Choices made now will affect us for eternity.

WE CHOOSE

Life comes, life goes,
Brings peaks, and lows.
We surely reap what we sow!
Our tide does ebb and flow.

When I look back on what I've done,
I see the storms, but also the sun.
For I have done good, at times been bad,
Sometimes am happy, sometimes am sad.

No, the time past I cannot now change,
But my future, yes, I may rearrange.
What will I do? Where will I go?
I may think, but God does know.

Will I put my life in His hand?
On His Rock, my days to stand.
Or will I build my house on the sand?
And His will for me, not understand.

Today I am charged to live the call.
Am I prepared to give Him my all?
Or will I continue in my earthly ways?
Seeking my own pleasure, all my days.

My time may well be short, it may be long,
Before joining Jesus, forever to belong,
What will He say that glorious day I see His face?
Knowing I've been saved, by His amazing grace.

Will it be, "Well done good and faithful servant",
Or will I seek my actions to quickly recant!
For on that day, I will surely see
The result of choices, made by me.

The past I can't change, the future neither,
But by my today's actions I can either
Build His kingdom here upon the earth,
Or make my own! My decision, my worth.

What will I do? Where will I go?
Will it be wheat or tares I sow?
Today I now have the choices to make,
Of what direction my life will take.

You too, my friend, today are in the very same boat,
To be a sheep of the Shepherd, or to be the goat.
What will be your choice of 'the way' to live?
All your life to Jesus, will you now give?

One day we will meet together with Jesus in heaven,
Having lived lives of fruitfulness, or of leaven.
The choices we now make on earth today,
Do determine what role we will play.

Let's now look towards
Our heavenly rewards.
The choice is mine,
The choice is thine!

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A DAVID MUSING

On Saturday evening my computer was seriously hacked! OH DEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Being polite!)

To get my computer going again I have travelled 4 hours to my computer man! I am now at David's place (Sunday evening) completing this weeks edition of PGIM - with Tuesday Teachings to follow tomorrow.

My HUGE THANKS to (the other) Kathy and David for having me to stay in my time of need, and to David for getting our machines back in working order. Ignorance is bliss when things are going well, but deadly when problems arise!

How reliant we are upon electric currents correctly flowing through intricate chips, discs and other nameless parts that so few of us understand! Gone are the days of our ability to use a spanner, hammer and screwdriver to fix anything mechanical! Oh well!

It was a nice Sunday afternoon drive anyway! LOL!

So until next week.....

MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOU BLESS GOD

His servant and yours

David Tait

Today's 'Word Puzzle' Answer: MELDING

TODAY'S 'BIBLE QUESTION' b. Pearls

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