WHOSE CHURCH IS IT ANYWAY?

THE POST APOSTOLIC CHURCH

The major question now is, "where is the church of the 21st Century heading".

Fifteen years into the new century, it is becoming more apparent that God is 'doing a new thing'. But as we have seen over the past 2000 years, through the Dark Ages, the Reformation and the Holy Spirit revivals of the 20th century, the Holy Spirit will always be to the fore of what transpires.

Regrettably from a human perspective, all past movements of the Holy Spirit have come to an end, primarily because man has codified them and taken over. Like Moses, the world's humblest man and the closest to God before Jesus, when he hit the rock, (which he had done successfully before to bring water), rather than talk to it as God had instructed him to do,(Numbers 20:13) man has always seemingly known better than God. This cost Moses the opportunity to take the Israelites into the Promised Land.

So where do we go from here? What is God doing here and now, and into the future.

THE CHALLENGE OF..... LIVING THE KINGDOM LIFESTYLE

To conclude this series on the history of the church, past, present and likely future from a Holy Spirit anointing perspective, I will finish, over the weeks ahead, by looking at the 'Parables of Jesus' which set out the principles of living a kingdom lifestyle.

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THE PARABLE OF THE 10 MINAS

The Parable of the Ten Minas

11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’ 14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’ 15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. 16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ 17 ”‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ 18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ 19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’ 20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’ 24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’ 25 ”‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’ 26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” (Luke 19:11-27)

This is a most interesting parable form several perspectives.

Firstly, Jesus indicated that His kingdom was not coming straight away. We have now waited 2000 odd years and are only starting to realise that the kingdom is not just a heavenly one, but is to be established on earth also! How long that will take, we surely don't know!

Secondly, (verses 14-15), not everyone wants the king (Jesus) to be king over them. Not all the world will accept Jesus, in spite of what some are erroneously preaching today. In spite of what people want, Jesus has been appointed king, and He does/will reign and rule over His creation.

Thirdly, there is judgment! In verse 27, the 'king' wants his enemies to be killed in front of him!

Fourthly, and most importantly, for it comprises the bulk of the parable, there are 'degrees' of believers. We all share the same salvation but not the same reward. We do tend to get the two mixed! A great excuse not to live the life!

However the Bible clearly warns us...

Matthew 7:21

This parable of the 10 minas emphasizes this. The greatest rewards will be given to those who are the most diligent for the Lord. As I am wont to say, to disciples rather than believers.

The Parable of the Sower comes to a similar conclusion, that not all Jesus followers are the same. The good seed is lifelong Christians.

Matthew 13:8

I do not need to continue, for I believe that if you want to hear, you will hear, understand, and apply this truth in your life. It is up to you!

What will your reward be?

So we can continue to say.....

THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ARE ONES WHO ARE OBEDIENT TO THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR LIVES.

(Continues next week)

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THE WORDS OF JESUS

May we hear what the Lord is saying to us.

The Young Jesus at the Temple (Luke 2:41-52)
To His parents looking for Him, Jesus said.

“Why is it that you were looking for me?” “Didn’t you know I should be here in my father’s house?”

John Baptizes Jesus (Matthew3:13-17, Mark 1:9-11, Luke 3:21-3, John 1:33-4)
John protests.

“Please do so, because it’s good for us to do what God says is right,”

Temptation of Jesus (Matthew 4:1-11, Mark 1:12-13, Luke 4:1-13)
By satan in the desert.

“As Scripture says, ‘Human beings do not live by only eating bread, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.”
“As Scripture also says, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’”
“Go away, Satan!” said Jesus. “As Scripture says, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve him, and him alone.’”

Calling the First Disciples (Matthew 4:18-22, Mark 1:16-20, Luke 5:1-11, John 1:35-42)
James and John.

“Go out into deeper water, and let down your nets for a catch.”
“Don’t be afraid,” “From now on you’ll be fishing for people!”

Then Simon Peter.

“What are you looking for?”
“Come and see,” he told them.
“You are Simon, son of John. But now you will be called Cephas.

Calling Philip and Nathanael (John 1:43-50)
The next day. Calling Philip first.

“Follow me.”

Then Nathanael.

“Look, here’s a true Israelite! There’s nothing false about him.”
“I saw you there under the fig tree, before Philip called you,”
“You believe this just because I told you I saw you under the fig tree?” “You’ll get to see much more than that!” “I tell you the truth, you will all see heaven open, and the angels of God going up and down on the Son of man.”

(Continued next week.)

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PRAYER

961. Share God's heart. Pray for others!

962. The most powerful prayers are the Word of God.

963. The least liked people are those who talk about no-one but themselves. Why do we do this with God?

964. Prayer is a two way communication process. we must listen to God too!

965. Listening in silence is the best way to hear from God.

966. In prayer, silence often speaks louder than words.

967. We expect friends to take an interest in us. Shouldn't we too, be interested in hearing from God when we pray?

968. God is with it! He too has moved on from King James English!

969. In prayer, ten words from the heart are worth more than a thousand parroted from a page.



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TUESDAY TEACHINGS

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*** Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. ***

137. THE CHURCH DICTIONARY
 AMEN: The only part of a prayer that everyone knows.
 BULLETIN: 1. Parish information, read only during the sermon. 2.Church air conditioning. 3. Your receipt for attending church.
 CHOIR: A group of people whose singing allows the rest of the congregation to lip-sync.
 HYMN: A song of praise, usually sung in a key three octave higher than that of the congregation's range.
 RECESSIONAL HYMN: The last song at church, often sung a little more quietly, since most of the people have already left.
 JONAH: The original "Jaws" story.
 JUSTICE: When kids have kids of their own.
 MANGER: 1. Where Mary gave birth to Jesus because Joseph wasn't covered by an HMO. 2. The Bible's way of showing us that holiday travel has always been rough.
 PEW: A medieval torture device still found in Churches.
 RECESSIONAL: The ceremonial procession at the conclusion of church - led by parishioners trying to beat the crowd to the parking lot.
 RELICS: People who have been going to church for so long, they actually know when to sit, kneel, and stand without prompting.
 TEN COMMANDMENTS: The most important Top Ten list not given by David Letterman.
 USHERS: The only people who don't know the seating capacity of a pew.

136. CURCH BULLETIN BOMBS
I've come across various incarnations of this Church Bulletin Bloopers list, and figured so has everyone else in the world so I haven't included it on Bag O Laughs until now. This list was recently sent to me, and I found that several of the items were new so, I delete those that were old and there you have it, a fresh list for your humor consumption. These are ACTUAL announcements from ACTUAL church bulletins:

1. Don't let worry kill you - - let the church help.

2. Thursday night - Potluck supper. Prayer and medication to follow.

3. Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community

4. Wednesday the ladies liturgy will meet. Mrs Johnson will sing "Put me in my little bed" accompanied by the pastor.

5. Thursday at 5:00pm there will be a meeting of the Little Mothers Club. All ladies wishing to be "Little Mothers" will meet with the Pastor in his study.

6. This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward and lay an egg on the altar.

7. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and do so.

8. A bean supper will be held on Tuesday evening in the church hall. Music will follow.

9. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be "What is Hell?" Come early and listen to our choir practice.

10. The preacher will preach his farewell message, after which the choir will sing, "Break Forth With Joy."

11. During the absence of our pastor, we enjoyed the rare privilege of hearing a good sermon when A. B. Doe supplied our pulpit.

12. The Rev. Adams spoke briefly, much to the delight of his audience.

13. The church is glad to have with us today as our guest minister the Rev. John Green who has Mrs. Green with him. After the service we request that all remain in the sanctuary for the Hanging of the Greens.

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THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: If you cut an earthworm in half, will it grow into two new worms?

Answer Next Week.

SOME FUN FACTS

600. FRAGRANT GIVEAWAYS
Avon started out as the California Perfume Company when 28-year-old founder, Mr. David McConnell, of New York, discovered that the rose oil perfumes he was giving away were the reason people were buying his books. He named the company Avon in 1939, as a tribute to his favourite playwright, William Shakespeare and Stratford on Avon. (Discovered the age-old truth that the easiest way to make money is through women’s vanities or men’s vices.)

601. CTCH THE KOALA
The fingerprints of the Australian Koala Bear are almost indistinguishable from human ones. In fact, they could easily be confused at a crime scene! (Real Australia – Kangaroo Courts and Koala Jails!)

602. NOT COLOUR BLIND
A blind Chameleon is still able to change colours to match its environment. (A colourful story.)

A WORD PUZZLE FOR YOU

Make another word from this word using all the letters.

BRAVED

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8: Paul said our faith is worthless if what didn't happen?

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b. Exodus of the Jews
c. Birth of Jesus
d. Gift of the Holy Spirit

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"""OTHER'S SAYINGS TO ENLIGHTEN, AMUSE, OR BEMUSE"""

11. If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
12. Happy memories never wear out.. Relive them as often as you want.
13. Home is the place where we grumble the most, but are often treated the best.
14. The choice you make today will usually affect tomorrow.
15. Take time to laugh for it is the music of the soul.
16. If anyone speaks badly of you, live so none will believe it.
17. Patience is the ability to idle your motor, when you feel like stripping your gears.
18. Love is strengthened by working through conflicts together.
19. The best thing parents can do for their children, is to love each other.
20. Harsh words break no bones but they do break hearts.
21. To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it.
22. We take for granted the things that we should be giving thanks for.
23. Love is the only thing that can be divided, without being diminished.
24. Happiness is enhanced by others but does not depend upon others.
25. You are richer today if you have laughed, given or forgiven.
26. For every minute you are angry with someone, you lose 60 seconds of happiness that you can never get back.
27. Do what you can, for who you can, with what you have, and where you are.

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GREAT GROANERS

115. QUICK TAKE ... !
Joe and Frank were in the office, and noticed that someone had put up a suggestion box with some 3x5 cards next to it. Both decided that this was a great idea, and each took a card to fill out.

Joe wrote, "The office workers should all be given raises!"

When he looked at Frank's card, it said "Can we all have raises, and keys to the executive washroom, and personal secretaries, and new company cars, and new coffee cups, and longer lunch breaks, and an extra three weeks vacation each year, and a holiday on St. Patrick’s Day, and Columbus Day and Martin Luther Kings Birthday?"

Joe said, "Frank, that isn't the right way of getting things changed around here. . . . You shouldn't put all of your begs in one ask-it."

116. THE COCKROACH
One night, as Al was watching TV, the doorbell rang. He went to the door and found a six-foot cockroach standing there. The bug grabbed him by the collar, threw him across the room, and then left. Al picked himself up and phoned his friend Tony to tell him the bizarre story.

"That's amazing," said Tony. "The same this happened to me an hour ago! This huge cockroach rang my doorbell, and when I answered, the bug punched me in the gut and left!"
Al and Tony decided to visit their buddy Vince and get his advice. When they finished telling their tales, Vince said: "This is too weird, guys. When I got home from work this afternoon, a huge bug was waiting for me at the door. He beat me up real bad! I think we better go to the cops and get this settled."

So the three men went to the local police station and reported their experiences. The desk sergeant just shook his head. "Sorry, fellas, there's nothing we can do. There's just a nasty bug going around."

117. FISH AND CHIPS
Lost on a rainy night, a nun stumbles across a monastery and requests shelter there.

Fortunately, she's just in time for dinner and was treated to the best fish and chips she had ever tasted.

After dinner, she went into the kitchen to thank the chefs. She was met by two of the Brothers.

The first one says, "Hello, I am Brother Michael, and this is Brother Charles."

"I'm very pleased to meet you," replies the nun. "I just wanted to thank you for a wonderful dinner. The fish and chips were the best I've ever had. Out of curiosity, who cooked what?"

Brother Charles replied, "Well, I'm the fish friar."

She turned to the other Brother and said, "Then you must be....?"

"Yes, I'm afraid so -- I am the chip monk."

118. OLD HABITS
Several Nuns were in there second floor convent one night when a fire broke out. The Nuns took their habits off and tied them together to make a rope to get out of the building via the window.

After they were safely on the ground and out of the building, a news reporter came over to one of the Nuns and said to her, "Weren't you afraid that the habits could have ripped or broke since they are old?

The Nun Replied, "No, don't you know old habits are hard to break".

119. NEW STAFF
Microbiology Lab: Staph Only!

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Journalist Reveals Intense Jew-Hatred in Sweden

NOTE FROM DAVID: I was most disturbed when reading this article for the following reasons.
1. The obvious persecution of the Jews that continues in many places round the world to this very day.
2. That Moslems, in particular, see this as 'normal, justifiable behaviour.
3. That Christians could be next in line for a similar -or worse - persecution in the near future.
Thoughts to ponder - David

A Swedish journalist donned a “kippah” (skullcap) and walked the streets of Malmo to get a first-hand account of what it was like to be a Jew in Sweden. The results were extremely disturbing.

A Swedish journalist who went to Malmo, Sweden, to check the attitudes there towards Jews was forced to flee after he was cursed and assaulted.

Petter Ljunggren walked the streets of Malmo wearing a kippah, a head covering that identified him as a Jew. The result was a 58-minute-long documentary, titled “Jew-Hatred in Malmo.”

Shmuel Goldberg, a Jew originally from New York who runs a restaurant in Malmo, described to Ljunggren what it was like to be a Jew living there. He is often spat at, and shouts of “Jew” and “Palestine” are regularly hurled at him.

Goldberg recounted an incident in which he was almost physically attacked. The attack was thwarted at the last moment by a woman who told him: “You’re going to get killed if you wear a kippah here.”

Ljunggren, after hearing these accounts, decided to test the waters himself, and he encountered similar treatment, walking the streets wearing a kippah and a Star of David necklace.

In one incident, while sitting in a cafe in Malmo reading a newspaper, several passersby began shouting anti-Semitic insults at him. Later, he saw a man beating his fist into his palm in a threatening gesture.

Ljunggren traveled to two different areas known to be anti-Jewish. At Lindangen Center a man, shocked to see a Jew in the area, warned him to leave. When he did, another person called him a “Jew swine.”

In Rosengard, a neighborhood heavily populated by Muslims, dozens of men screamed anti-Semitic slurs while throwing eggs at him from windows.

Ljunggren noted in the documentary that most of the perpetrators of these anti-Semitic incidents and attacks in Sweden were Muslims of Middle Eastern descent, and they used the Arab-Israeli context as a pretext for their anti-Semitism.

The journalist concluded that Jew hatred has become accepted practice in Sweden. One Muslim interviewee summed it up when he said: “It’s only basic to hate Jews.”

By: United with Israel Staff

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WAXING LYRICAL

A little fun about a real ‘mans’ problem!

‘GRUTS’

A man’s underwear is a most sensitive subject,
Not normally approached in a manner so direct!
But is a most important part of a man’s life you see,
A topic worth exploring, just between you and me.

For a mans ‘gruts’ have new psychological implications,
Likely to be the cause of an outbreak of bad relations,
In an otherwise, very happy marriage you see,
As a man’s underwear, reflects his personality.

Now this hasn’t always been the case,
For in earlier days of the human race,
There was only one kind available to the Kiwi male,
White ‘Jockeys’ with ‘Y’ fronts, in which to set sail.

I readily admit now, to a phobia of my young life,
For their lack of support, would see me in strife.
To a grown man, a real problem they must have been,
To me as a growing lad, in my thinking, it did seem.

But the ‘Jockeys’ did have one advantage,
To Grandmothers, who never seemed to age,
The right size was all they ever needed to know,
When Christmas shopping, they decided to go!

Sad to say, this well depicted the age,
When conformity, was all the Kiwi rage,
Even though the nations ‘Jockeys’ you could not see,
You knew for sure, all men had a certain similarity!

‘Hanes’ came along with ‘Jockey’ to compete,
Their fit was much better, but far from replete,
And of course, they were still the standard white,
So no man, about his underpants, was able to skite.

But times did change, as they are wont to do,
No longer was fashion restricted to the shoe,
Coloured shirts then, made an appearance,
Providing us men, with a further dalliance.

But the fashion designers were still not content,
To their fertile brains, new perspective was lent,
Or maybe, they could remember their youth too,
A more comfortable alternative was now in view.

To us practical men, comfort is always the most important.
So after decades of ‘Jockeys’, over which to rave and rant,
Now had come a real choice for men to wear,
That they were coloured too, we did not care.

The designers now clapped their hands, in great glee,
For no longer were underpants, simply a commodity.
For now colour and style had been introduced,
To the range available, we were soon seduced.

Poor Grandma now, when she is wont to shop,
For birthday or Christmas presents, has to stop
Buying the old faithful underpants, ever so true,
For she doesn’t know now, which style suits you.

To grandsons this is a most desirable revolution,
As we had feared grannies presents with a passion.
Although we said thank you, and gave her a big kiss,
We are now so grateful, those old ‘Jockeys’ to miss!

Life has become more complicated for men to live,
Colour, style, different sizes, something has to give!
So now when it comes round to clothes shopping,
A man too, has to take his time, forever stopping!

But even more difficult than this, it would now seem,
Is the image we portray, enough to make one scream,
For to look right in the lockers of the gym,
They must portray the right image of him.

I have to admit to once being an underwear skinflint,
The cheapest pair would always do, whatever the tint.
Until I was given a more comfortable pair,
A little more expensive, but I no longer care!

Now I know that our God doesn’t mind the underwear we wear,
Whether we call them ‘daks’ or ‘gruts’, He surely doesn’t care,
For his eyes penetrate far more than skin deep,
So over our underpants, we are not to lose sleep!

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A DAVID MUSING

Back into a 'normal' week for us, which is probably not normal for most people, as our life cannot generally be considered 'regular'. I quite like it that way, although Kathy would probably prefer a more predictable life at times.

We would appreciate prayers for Kathy's 92 year old mum who is failing fast now. so Kathy is spending a lot of time with her. I also have several people I visit regularly who are most unwell.

Interestingly I have found that many Christians, in particular Pentecostals, are not good at dealing with death. Sadly, many believers do not know how to handle the situation and fail to give comfort to those who are approaching the certain fate that befalls us all.

I was the least empathic person alive (according to my wife!) but the Lord took me right out of my comfort zone by getting me to walk with people who have terminal cancer. While I still don't feel 100% at ease in the situation, I have learned to cope with it and help the people the Lord has brought into my path. Actually, all we need to do is sit with people and listen. If they want to know something, they will surely ask. Being Jesus to them, rather than preaching Jesus to them, or spending lots of time talking about ourselves.

That has been my experience, anyway.

So until next week.....

MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOU BLESS GOD

His servant and yours

David Tait

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TODAY'S 'BIBLE QUESTION' a. Raising of Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:14)

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Our role is to bless and encourage those in ministry while promoting co-operation and unity of direction amongst the body of Christ, as emphasised 3 times by Jesus in His longest prayer, immediately prior to His arrest and crucifixion. "… so that they may be one as we are one." (John 17:12, 21, 23-4) Our website is currently being developed to encourage your participation one with another, to share resources, and to enable you to promote events and items of interest to the body as a whole – and have a smile while doing it!

For comments upon and contributions to this service, please contact
david@wwj.org.nz